Not for me at all. I got exactly what I wantedThe product looked good in the pictures and there was excellent reviews. Cons:• There is no way to attach the pencil to the iPad Pro or to the Apple Smart Keyboard. Took them on a kayaking trip where I did some creek crossings in waist deep water climbing logs etc. Some things to keep in mind with the HD 660 S:- These are pro level open-back headphones meant for studio use, so you must be in a quiet environment to use them properly. But after that initial feeling the foam sinks and if you have no arch support like myself your foot just sinks in with very little give back to your foot. Extremely low profile and snugger than snug fit! The good:-The sound quality is what you would expect, good. Great mic, feels well build. I didnt end up using the toilet mat but reordered another rectangular mat to go in front of the toilet instead.